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« on: July 19, 2007, 03:53:52 PM »

I've got a new coach. I chose him because he's a hypnotherapist and an NLP practitioner - apart from a coach and a therapist.

This week I had my first session with him and even though I thought I had made it clear to him in the introductory meeting, that I am looking for coaching and not therapy, I feel he's trying to analyze me, since we spent the whole last session on me trying to "focus on my bad feelings".

But apart from this - the weird thing is that I have a feeling he was hitting on me the whole session!
When I entered his house he did not say Good evening or anything, he just looked and smiled at me and then complimented me on my shoes! And then on my dress! That was already strange. Like we're having a date!

I told him that my boyfriend and I broke up since our introductory meeting and he asked me how I feel about that, blah blah blah and then, throughout the whole session he would make comments like "You're the most beautiful woman I have ever seen... uhm TODAY, ha ha,... and yet you're telling me you're afraid to end up alone?" (Ok I'm not trying to flatter myself here, but isn't that a bit inappropriate for a therapist to say??) Then he said, "Ok, imagine I would say 'Anna, I am leaving my family, come with me, let's elope to another country!' What would you say?" - I said, "I would say no, because I'm trying to settle here!" -"OK, then lets say I'd ask you to move in with me here, in The Hague!" - Huh??? I don't even remember what I replied. Is that normal?? When I told him that in the most melancholic phase of my life I listened to Leonard Cohen CD's nonstop  Smiley he replied that he can play much better guitar than Leonard Cohen. So what??? And my name is Anja not Anna - how unprofessional is that, after filling in forms and exchanging emails where he has seen my name lots of times?

And what really put me off was when I said that my house needs a lot of work and it's really something that's stressing me, he said, "Well, there you go! Get a guy who can fix it, a plumber, as in 'I plumb your house and then I plumb you!'" How can you say that as a professional?

Please tell me all this is not normal. First I thought, ok, weird, but I will give it another go and see how the next session goes. Then I will decide if I continue with him or not. But now all these remarks are coming back to me and I get really disgusted. I don't even want to pay him for that session. The only thing is that I'm afraid he might say it was all just techniques or something to provoke me and get some reaction from me (since we were getting nowhere, which is hardly surprising giving his behaviour, I don't feel comfortable with him).

OK. Finished ranting... any opinions?

Anja




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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2007, 04:57:53 PM »


I think you have already answered your own question.  Smiley

Be well and do what is right for you

Kindest regards
Mark

PS. I forgot you asked for opinions.......... reading your account, yes I agree unprofessional, inappropriate and certainly not "normal" in my map of the world.

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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2007, 04:59:32 PM »

Hello Anja

That is for me just out of order- I would suggest- looking for a new coach- with life coaching the primary idea is to find out where you are in the now- and to make suitable action steps for getting to where you are going- with little in the way of doing intervention work- sometimes known as therapy-

The rule of thumb that you should work by-is if you have any sense of being uncomfortable with working with a coach- then its in your best interest-and a more healthy choice to find someone who feels right for you.

So I hope you take the right action- and stop your session with this guy- as it seems to me that- things could get a little- serious- Its better to be safe- and to look after your well-being-  than to carry on with this session.

Just Tell him if he as an issue- that I told you to find a new coach and if he as an issue with that then he can e-mail me  opensaucenlp@gmail.com

As might be able to tell this type of thing really does my head in.

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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2007, 05:12:56 PM »

This is wrong, very wrong as far as I'm concerned. And yes, he does sound (as you've described it which I'm sure is accurate) the kind of guy who would tell you it was all just a technique to break your state. Well there are much more effective and ethical ways of doing that.

Now, speaking as a coach who moved into therapeutic uses of NLP, I question the usefulness of coaching alone - in the end there usually are therapeutic issues that, when resolved, will mean the client becomes more effective in getting the changes they seek. But I don't want to muddy the waters here - if you went to him for coaching, and he agreed you were to be coached, then he had no right to do anything else.

I agree with the other posts, find a new coach! Is he a member of any professional organisation? If he is, visit their website and find out how to complain.

Take care,
Ian

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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2007, 06:05:45 PM »

Hi Anja,

It's pretty much been said already. Working with a coach can be an incredibly powerful and positive thing, however if you are not comfortable than I'd suggest that this isn't the right coach for you.

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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2007, 05:25:48 AM »

Just to add to the chorus of disapproval...

That all sounds *highly* innappropriate, and if I were you I'd have nothing further to do with him. Also, since he appeared to have been hitting on you the whole time, if he doesn't have the sensory auity to realise you're getting uncomfortable and change his behaviour, I'd imagine he's not going to be terribly effective anyway.

In summary.. ewww. run away!

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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2007, 07:13:20 AM »

Hi Anja,
I am another voice in agreement with everything that has already been said.
Your relationship with your coach or therapist should be one of comfort and trust.
Everything you have experienced is NOT normal and highly unethical.  Don't go back and I would also agree with Ian . Find out if  he belongs to a proffessional body and report your experience.
There are so many people out there doing outstanding work. Find yourself another coach.
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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2007, 09:19:40 AM »

Dear Anja,

Certainly the weirdest thing ever and highly unprofessional- if this should ever happen to you again- and I hope it never EVER will, please leave immediately.
Are you sure this guy is a coach at all? Did you see certifications?
And disgusting comments as well. No way!
Where are you based? Maybe good idea to get a recommendation for a coach from someone who has already worked with him/her.

A coach will not make you focus on bad feelings. Our job is to get the best out of you and help you move from A ( where you are now) to B ( where you want to go), freeing up your inner resources and building your personal tool kit so you can actually go and do it.
And this will change your life.
Why not try one of the coaches who are around on this site? Shop around is my suggestion, you deserve the good side of our trade.
I offer 30mins free consultation for example so you could get a good insight into how I work and what you can expect to get out of the sessions ? should you be looking for a NLP practitioner/coach in London or be happy to work through phone.

All the best,
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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2007, 06:12:15 PM »

I received his invoice now, I think I will send it back with my reasons why I won't pay him and cancel my next appointment...

Thanks for the offer, Evelyne, I live in the Netherlands and I am actually trying out coaches here to see what it's like, to see how they work and to learn. Well, I definitely learnd what NOT to do from him Smiley (... and ruled him out as competition once I'm a coach, ha ha!)

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« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2007, 11:37:03 AM »

You're doing the right thing Anja, I've been in a very similar situation and sometimes even when you know you're in the right you doubt yourself. Send this charlatan back under his rock! xXx
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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2007, 04:45:01 AM »

Dear Anja,

I read your message and as it is the first time to log at the community I thought it was rather an intriguing situation. Without getting too much into all the details I sense that you already made up your mind and are not interested in continuing to have further sessions with him.

I highly recommend book The Work from Byron Katie (thanks Michael!) or you can visit her website www.thework.com (www.thework.org). It may be a good read while you are looking for the next person to work with in achieving what you want.

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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2007, 02:57:07 PM »

Hi Dalida,

thanks!

The latest is that I told him I won't pay his invoice and gave him all the reasons, how he made me feel, etc. He came back and apologized for making me feel like this and that it is indeed really stupid not to remember my name, but he did "not remember" the plumber remark. He also said that he was using "provocative therapy" and he's sorry, but the invoice will have to be paid.

I do not think this was provocative therapy and I got some second opinions on that, too, so I will tell him again.. In the worst case, if I can't do anything about the invoice, I will just report this to the institute I found him through.

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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2007, 12:28:58 PM »

There are very few people who have trained in Provocative Therapy, so it would be a slim chance that it was that. Also PT is a very specific set of tools and at all times the therapist maintains excellent rapport and what you have described is the polar opposite of what a provocative therapist would do in an interview. For those interested in PT, check the new www.provovativetherapytraining.com site just set up. As for the situation yes address it with the body that certificated this person as (on the basis of the info submitted here) it sounds highly unprofessional.
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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2007, 12:36:53 PM »

Hay Mr Nick not sure if its the forum or the link yet when  press on it, it takes me to a error page- just letting you know- please resubmit link so we can all keep an eye out on your work.

Jay

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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2007, 01:26:24 PM »

A case od too much speed when typing the word "provocative"

Here is the link http://www.provocativetherapytraining.com/
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